Mike Oxsaw
5:03 Thu Aug 13
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John, John John. Seems like, in your obviously extensive education, you plain darn forgot to learn.
Governments (of ANY colour) don't create employment - business does that, and for business to do that it needs both a market and the ability to meet the demands of that market.
Governments simply administer the affairs of state. For your future reference, there IS a difference between "administration" and "running". Lazy media journalists have governments running countries, and even lazier consumers of that media accept that as fact without bothering to question.
Where are you suggesting that the government can influence either consumer demand or workforce availability, and how are you suggesting they do this?
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Italian John
1:49 Thu Aug 13
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Mike, what's it got to do with ME? I don't run the country, the Tories do and the last time I checked youth unemployment is getting out of control.
It's THEIR job to sort it after all, THEY got elected by all you wonderful working class wannabes.
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Rossal
12:19 Thu Aug 13
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Unemployment rose from the last quarter
When the retail sector employs loads of people as xmas temps. So is it really on the rise, or was it just softened over the xmas period ?
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Mike Oxsaw
12:18 Thu Aug 13
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So why don't YOU, Italian John, give a bunch of these people jobs? No skiving on your part, living - as opposed to minimum - wage, decent working conditions, benefits & holidays. Nothing but the BEST for your workers.
Don't matter if you've no work for them to do, or nobody actually wants what you order them to produce, YOU have done your patriotic duty and employed some previously unemployed people.
If you're already doing that, then employ some more on the same terms, and keep doing so until YOU have solved the problem.
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Italian John
8:58 Thu Aug 13
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Youth unemployment at an all time high and rising, good old Tories.
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Willtell
8:53 Thu Aug 13
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Quite right Italian John. There was a 12% rise in Europeans working in UK though so the jobs are there...
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Italian John
8:42 Thu Aug 13
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Unemployment on the rise, didn't take long did it?
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Infidel
9:05 Sat Aug 1
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Blimey Branded,you are talking revolution here....
If we ever switch to a funded welfare and pension system the Left will go into apoplexy...
I would vote for it though. But then I'm an unreasonable person who thinks the country should live within its means.
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BRANDED
8:20 Sat Aug 1
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Mike
We dont do insurance. We do pay now mate.
Of course I'm sure you know that.
So. Everyone paying in now is paying for everything now, nit in the future.
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Infidel
8:16 Sat Aug 1
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Mike
Most people are in debt to the state - ie they cost the state more in education, health, welfare and pensions than they pay in in taxes.
A reasonable chunk more or less break even and a small number are in credit, paying in more in taxes than they ever take out.
The latter are the ones holding the whole system together.
So it's probably not correct to say that the elderly have paid in throughout their lives and therefore have a right to state pensions and health care when they retire. Most of them are in deficit.
I'm not advocating withdrawal of care for the elderly - quite the opposite: I think caring for our old folk is the mark of a civilised society.
A much bigger issue is that we take care of millions of people who have paid nothing in to the system - either because they arrived here recently from a poor country overseas or because they have lived their lives on benefits.
I went to visit my dad in Northwick Park hospital recently and the place was absolutely packed with elderly people from south asia who could not speak a word of English. How on earth did we write rules that allowed migrants from India and Pakistan to bring over their sick relatives and deposit them on the NHS? This is madness.
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Mike Oxsaw
7:04 Sat Aug 1
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Branded. Would that be the bunch of old people who have actually paid already for the right to those services through a lifetime of taxation? THOSE old people?
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BRANDED
4:12 Sat Aug 1
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Mike
You will find a bunch of old people on the list. Assuming you are talking about them using public services along with the usual targets.
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Infidel
4:03 Sat Aug 1
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A8
Your feeble list of features of Cameronism simply underlines the point that he has no vision or guiding philosophy. He's just a midde manager.
But I would like to ask you one specific question: if Cameron believes in lower taxes why has he increased them every year that he has been in office?
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Mike Oxsaw
4:02 Sat Aug 1
Re: Government Budget Balancing
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It seems to me that the first step should be to stop the financial hemorrhage by insisting EVERYONE lives within their means - RIGHT NOW.
However, it appears that some in society feel there are certain (privileged) people/groups for whom that requirement is "justifiably ignorable".
I'd be interested to know who those people/groups are, and the justification supporting that stance.
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BRANDED
3:57 Sat Aug 1
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I sometimes think 8 is a comedy character
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Nurse Ratched
3:48 Sat Aug 1
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Whoosh!
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After8
3:47 Sat Aug 1
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Thank goodness, heath wasn't very good.
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Nurse Ratched
3:45 Sat Aug 1
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He's not Thatcher? He's not even Heath.
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After8
3:43 Sat Aug 1
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Cameron believes in supporting families, lower taxes and helping people get on in life. He also believes in governing in the national interest.
He's not Thatcher. She was a one off.
People on the right should stop being so bitter about Cameron.
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Infidel
2:29 Sat Aug 1
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Comma
She was unique in that she was the first Prime Minister in living memory to hold that view and make it central to her decision making..
Possibly the only one.
Compare her approach to Blair, who tried to solve the problem of the dwindling number of genuinely poor people in Britain (and therefore Labour voters) by dismantling our border controls and letting in 2.5 million penniless migrants,who statistically are very likely to vote Labour.
As for Cameron,he doesn't believe in a meritocracy either. In fact he doesn't really believe in anything.
Most people can give a reasonable definition of Thatcherism. Can anyone tell me, after 10 years of Cameron as Conservative leader and 5 years as Prime Minister, what Cameronism is?
A8, fancy having a go? You seem to be a fan.
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BRANDED
12:26 Sat Aug 1
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The problem is that in every society there will be winners and losers and a whole spectrum of haves and have nots. Then between societies there will be huge variations in wealth, or even happiness.
Most people want to be happy and not have the tax man or the pirates at their door. They want enough to have a decent happy life.
In advanced capitalist societies you are bombarded with messages saying that they never have enough or never have the best or that they are inadequate. This is the point at which most people get very unhappy even though they are relatively much better off.
That is why politicians of all kinds try and get a balance. Its impossible really to control because everybody feels inadequate. Even the super rich want a new super yacht.
Many people in Eastern Europe look back with fond memories of the shit times in socialist states. I have a couple of Romanian friends here who used to have a really great time back in the 1980s in Romania.
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